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  • GCKaMaara
    04-16 10:06 AM
    OK, Its your opinion and that shows your civic sense. But why are you posting the same again and again?

    Sanju has a sarcastic way of telling anything. Just ignore.





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  • immi_seeker
    09-17 05:47 PM
    I think it is between 3000 and 3500, with depended this comes to 7500.

    In 2008, 10% of these already got approved.
    Some 10% may have abandon application or used other priority days (porting).
    Some 5% may have used cross-chargeable

    So we are looking at a number close to 5000-6000 for Jan-March 2005.

    So assuming the worst case of 10k including applicants and another 5k for the PERM PDs in 2005, it seems if we have 15k spill over , PD will easily surpass 2005. Considering the slow economy and rare Eb filings , that spill over number could be a very possible number





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  • jayus2k
    12-13 11:46 AM
    We don't have to discuss with lawmakers. The congress can pass any law and the law will be implemented as long as the courts decide it is not constitutional.
    Given our current state, the current laws do not work (for us).
    we have two alternatives->
    change the law (Lobbying helps here)
    challenge the current law (Judicial review will help here)





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  • days_go_by
    01-23 06:11 PM
    not all cases approved by DOL are fraud, some cases are really genuine, I have waited over 5 years for labor, and I know a bunch of other people too who have genuinely waited.
    But I agree most of frauds, I know of friends who bought and got Green Cards within a few months. checkout this thread .

    http://immigrationportal.com/showthread.php?p=1596562#post1596562

    it's not like DOL is not aware of it, they know it, they have created an industry around it. I don't think they will ban labor subst, they would rather add a transfer fee and make more money on it.



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  • desi3933
    07-13 11:19 AM
    I know people who got their GC in 7 months from the date they filed PERM. and then there are many people getting GCs every month. There are both good stories and bad stories to tell about getting GC in US.

    There were times when H1 quota never reached the limit during the whole fiscal year, now they get used in just 2 days. This mess in GC process is a result mainly due to our own actions (temporary workers and consulting companies hiring temporary workers). Do you think majority of us once we get GC, stay with the consulting company that filed for our GC? When a consulting company files for PERM, they already have a foreign national working under H-1B in that position. So where is the real intent to hire an American when some foreigner is already working at that position?

    This employment based GC is a way for us foreigners to immigrate to US easily at one point. Now due to our extreme usage and abuse of this process, there are genuine people who are being sponsored to immigrate to US are also suffering. In a true employment GC scenario, the company should be desperate to keep you for a long time (more than 6 years after H-1B is maxed) for your valuable skills that they were unable to find in others. But in most GC cases, looks like we temporary workers are more desperate than our employers for the GC? aren't we? Do you see any companies sweating on how to retain you with them, because you H-1B is expiring and they have no way to keep you?

    Do not put all the blame on US immigration system, the majority of the blame should fall on us and the companies who are helping us to get GCs when our cases are not based on genuine sponsors.

    Just speak for yourself, Mr. Hathi Ghora.





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  • desi3933
    06-16 04:33 PM
    Where did you get that 80k number? You think 80k is good salary for that job, someone else may say 65k, I may say 90k. The salary, among other things, is determined by market forces. If you can't find enough people with xyz then company will be forced to offer more.

    As long as there are people who are ready to work on salary 52k (example), employer will not pay 70k. As long as employer is following all the legal requirements, no one can dictate salary for the job.

    I agree that the employer will pay the salary that is consummate with the market. No well meaning employer will undercut to save a few pennies at the risk of losing out on quality.
    What if the market pay scales are distorted through pervasive fraud ? If you look at it from an employer's view, it gets murkier. Believe it or not, low cost always signal lower quality. Trust me this is marketing 101. Google low cost and the perceptive signals. It is truly tough for the employer to trust the low cost employee's skillset.

    Now the distortion comes into play when outsourcing companies flout rules and undercut the market through pervasive fraud. Like other industries such as manufacturing/agriculture etc, IT wages are destined to decline but not at this rate. The acceleration in the decline of wages is perpetuated by these scum outsourcing companies. If the decline in wages were let to decline at the speed of market, then it gives talented people time to upgrade skills or move to other industries without having to sacrifice quality of living. So per your argument, yes the end employer is following the rules by employing people from the outsourcing company because the employer does not know or looks the other way of the outsourcing company committing pervasive fraud. Oh BTW that 80K number was just to highlight that the L1s should be paid high too. It was not based on any scientific or statistical evidence.

    >> I agree that the employer will pay the salary that is consummate with the market.
    I am glad we are on the same page on this. It is employer who decides how much to pay. Employee decides whether to take the offer or not. Simple.

    >> Now the distortion comes into play when outsourcing companies flout rules and undercut the market through pervasive fraud.
    Well, you can report the fraudulent activity. If one is wronged, he/she has option of legal route and claiming punitive damages.

    >> The acceleration in the decline of wages is perpetuated by these scum outsourcing companies. If the decline in wages were let to decline at the speed of market, then it gives talented people time to upgrade skills or move to other industries without having to sacrifice quality of living.
    If my employer pays me less salary, I have option to move to another job. Just like my employer has option to fire me and replace with another qualified worker. Again, unless otherwise, I assume all actions are legal. I don't know about you, but when I came to USA, nobody give me assurance or guarantee that this job is future will pay me at least xx k per year so as to maintain quality of life. Here, two person of equal talent, could be earning 60k and 120k per year. It depends on your skill set, how do you sell yourself, and luck. An example - I have backgound both in Comp Science and Finance, so I look for opportunities where I can use both of them for effective leverage. If you think that I didn't face outsourcing challage or was not given pink slip, then you are wrong. As most professionals, I have seen good days and not-so-good days.

    >> Oh BTW that 80K number was just to highlight that the L1s should be paid high too.
    With your admission, it is employer's choice on how much to pay. As long as law is followed, you or I can NOT decide on anyone else's salary.

    >> For the most part it is if it were left to market forces. Employers, rationally, would only want as much as talent for the price they pay. Most importantly, employers would be willing to go the extra mile to sponsor green cards only if they perceive that the immigrant employee would add value both in the present and the future.
    Bad things do happen. Projects get cancelled as Customer is no longer interested. Employer wants to move from Chicago to Dallas, that may prompt employee to look elsewhere. Some employers do not process green card at all (It happened to me, a Big Bank was not processing Green Cards in 1999). You assume all good and rosy will happen to guenine employers and good employees.

    >> Now again, when I say employers, I mean the genuine employers and not the fly by night consulting body shops or the outsourcing companies.
    Just as some employers with permanent positions are not good, there are some employers in Consulting and Outsourcing world that may be good. Let USCIS and other agencies determine who are genuine employers or not.

    >> I strongly believe that EB based GC for a very large part is built on merit. You may see sme cases wherein some ordinary people getting green cards. They, in my opinion , are mostly from these body shops who got "lucky". Cant believe I am using that word !!!
    No sir. It is employer-employment based. If you don't have employer to back your I-140, how will get green card. Do you know there is a category - Eb3 skilled worker, where benefiery does not even need bachelor degree. What do you think, those people are "lucky". If so, please take your arguement to Senators and USCIS to restict GC for "merit based" only. Until then, as long as one is getting green card, as per current law, (again as per current law), who are we to complain?

    GC is not IIT-JEE exam where there is only one classification. Clear the exam and get the admission. There are varoius categories from EB-1 (Rocket Scientist) to EB-4 (Priest). This is not one-size-fits-all.

    We need to look at issues faced by EB based community from a distance and without the glasses of issues faced personally by us. Until then, it is fight that one is more deserving than the other.



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  • chintu25
    02-12 09:33 PM
    :confused:I apologize for my ignorance but
    what is ROW ??





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  • amsgc
    07-26 04:48 PM
    From what I remember, Ron Hira had done the math and found that only 0.03% of those H-1B visa applicants get sponsored for the GC by the Indian Offshore companies.

    But, we still have a tremendous backlog in 2004, plus labor subs, plus EB3 moving over to EB2. According to , there are still hundreds of people waiting with PD before June 2004.

    Also out of the 65K H1 visas that were available since 2003, most of the Visas were consumed by the Big Indian companies.
    Remember when Congress sent letters to the Big Indian companies, there was data related to how many companies applied for how many Visas.

    AFAIK it was in the range of 25k-35k per year combined by all these companies that filed H1s .

    One thing to note is, they do not sponsor GCs for all the applicants.They do them very rarely for the people who are in their 5th to 6th year of H1.Could be in the range of Hundereds and not thousands comapred to the people count they have in US.



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  • sunnymit
    07-30 02:37 PM
    I met this dude in Secaucus (NJ) Walmart yesterday. I was looking for an ice-cream so he pretended to do the same. Smiled at me once and then just as I was walking away from the ice-cream sections comes over with a very nice hello. Started talking to me "as they always do" but I think this time he forgot where he was. First asked me "Do you know where is a Walmart around here?", quickly realized he is in one right now, checked, and continued, "I mean, this is one but do you know another one around here?". Then "Do you know when this closes", "Is this 24/7 walmart". I mean.. seriously dude! You think I am the best person to answer those questions for you - why? Best of all, he says he just moved here from Harrison (NJ) which is like 5 miles from the Walmart he was in!

    Totally confused this guys, me thinks :)





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  • BharatPremi
    09-24 04:54 PM
    Not sure what you are talking about. There are two rules as follows

    28.6% EB visas for each category EB1/EB2/EB3 and 7.1% for EB4/EB5

    Ans: These numbers are meant for "Assigning Visa numbers to applications" BUT " not to grant Visa / approve 485 / Order Physical Green card"

    7% limit for each country in EB category (India will get 9800 visa in all EB1-5 categories)
    + 2% dependent limit for each country in EB category


    Ans: These numbers are meant for "grant Visa / approve 485 / Order Physical Green card" BUT " not to Assign Visa numbers to applications"

    To enforce the limit each EB subcategory (EB1/EB2/EB3/EB4/EB5) enforces country cap, no more than 2822 visa for India in EB1/EB2/EB3 categories.

    Ans: this concept 0.07X 0.286 - It is a false concept.
    The limit can be extended when there are leftover visas (this is what has extended the limit for EB1/EB2/EB3 India for last few years).

    /\ my answers



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  • amsgc
    07-03 11:08 PM
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/04/us/04visas.html

    Just sent her a thank you note and my letter above.





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  • snathan
    01-16 12:53 PM
    One truth: Indian employers mistreat their employees. But this is
    You have a choice: Don't join them. It doesn't require a USCIS memo.
    USCIS and scumbags (Hira, Matloff, ...) have absolutely no interest in the welfare of these affected H-1Bs. Their motivation is 100% sadistic.

    >>> Sure so tell the truth to USCIS and tell them that we join them knowing very well what they do but you have no problem with that and hence USCIS should not bother us. What is issue here then ?

    We believe we are targetted unfairly and we are looking what can be done legally. If you are not interested, please ignore this thread or gladly go back to india. DONT DEVIATE FROM TEH SUBJECT. No one is looking here for your advise....please dont bother to ignore us and waste our time. No one is stopping you to go India Please get lost.:mad:



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  • unseenguy
    04-01 02:08 AM
    Well said. It is similar to Bill Clinton takes credit for revolution in IT area. It is all time. Gujarat prospered becuse of successful bussiness minded people. Growth was aided by high demand for export. I agree with you that though a guy has a great leadership skills, commanding speech, great administartive and management skills, if he commited/aided the crime, he has no right to hold the office. See the Alska Senator..He was one of the most successful politician and elected many times from alska for Senate. Now he is in jail at his very old age, just becuse he got money from oil comapines to renovate his house.

    There are lot of ifs and buts in life & world like .....

    I should get development job not testing.
    Bush should not have become president
    Mugabe should leave his post
    Pakistan should fix terrorism.
    China should have better human rights record
    Burma should release aung san su ki
    UK should return the gold it stole from India
    Australia should stop sledging in cricket and play like gentleman


    Similarly, I got the job because economy was good not that I did something.
    Obama became president because Bush screwed it up and he didnt have the talent.
    Pakistan is violent because Afganistan is out of control and they are unfortunate recipients of terror not creators.
    China has human rights problem because Tibetans are problem childs, not that China has done anything wrong.


    Similarly your wish is Criminals should not fight elections. Let me tell you that without favorable government policies the businesses can't succeed. The very business minded Gujratis have democratically elected Modi even after his visa refusal by US and Sonia madam touting him as a merchant of death etc. Right now Gujrat is no. 1 state in India in economic development index. So give the guy some credit where its due. All your thoughts are very well intended and ideally that is how things should be but one has to go by reality and one step at a time. Although the hands of law are very long and justice will be served some day or in some way.





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  • snathan
    01-14 01:47 PM
    My friend works for Deloitte & Touche and they charge $550/hr and he gets $75/hr.. so what? And he is USC.
    Do you know the rates top consulting company charges? they normally starts from $400/hr+ in Accenture, PWC, KPMG, E&Y Etc and their employee's do not get paid more than 20%. Its a practice around the world.

    But the difference here is the LCA says their salary as 55K.



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  • Picasa
    07-27 03:58 PM
    Did he run away with tail between his legs.
    Kishmunn .... you take the bull by the horns.





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  • jasmin45
    09-04 07:11 PM
    My...

    Did you guys let ChanduV23 go of the hook? :D:D:D.. I see him hanging in here..;)
    May be you tried and mud didn't stick on him han?
    Long weekend is ahead folks.. go easy on each other:) have a wonderful labor day...



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  • psaxena
    01-19 01:28 PM
    what did you do to help IV fight?

    Is IV fighting for all of us on this?

    People are just discussing and discussing but nobody is doing anything. Are any lawyers doing anything?





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  • bfadlia
    02-19 02:20 PM
    You are a racist b* who just thinks about yourself and you have been planted here by other camp. U must have come out of some gutter country where democracy has no meaning and you don't know meaning of majority. You are favoring an agenda because it is good for you today. get the hell of this website. You don't belong here you racist bigot. May be we will need to track your ip address and throw you from here at some point of time.You hate Indians and Chinese and come back to IV where we have majority. This is not going to happen.

    x: you are making idiotic arguments
    y: if you think indians and chinese are idiots then you need to leave IV

    please don't stop. your posts speak volumes on ur amazing mentality. i'm still amused.
    i have no problem listening to all that a* b* f* vocabulary, it only reflects on ur maturity, but there is a serious problem when someone continuously tries to drag race into a discussion that does not relate to it.. then in his childish tantrums decides to speak on IV's behalf.. people should be advised to stop doing that.





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  • django.stone
    07-24 09:16 PM
    If this is indeed true, isn't it unfair to issue visas to Feb 2006 dates at a Consulate while people with 2005 dates are waiting for AOS. Can this be challenged in court?





    greencard_fever
    07-25 07:13 PM
    I still believe in EB2 will try to catch up current by next October.

    vdlrao you have been really amazing on doing the analysis on VB prediction. Kudos to you dude..i will hope you will be proved right in feature. keep your figures crossed till Sep 08 Bulletin which will shed some light on your predictions..





    Pegasus503
    02-14 08:05 PM
    ..............
    Enforce country cap on Family based GC/DV lotterry for the diversity sake. FYI India and China don't have access to DV Lottery. This system is insane and let's not fight among ourselves to defend this crappy immigration system. . U may see ROW retrogress to 1998 in next VB and what will u say then ?. Bottom line is Fighting will not take us anywhere and changing this unpredictable system will be the only way to go.



    http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2006/72835.htm

    the Divertsity Visa Lottery progam,

    following countries[1] are not eligible to apply because they sent a total of more than 50,000 immigrants to the United States over the period of the previous five years:


    BRAZIL, CANADA, CHINA (mainland-born), COLOMBIA, DOMINICAN REPUBLIC, EL SALVADOR, HAITI, INDIA, JAMAICA, MEXICO, PAKISTAN, PHILIPPINES, PERU, POLAND, RUSSIA, SOUTH KOREA, UNITED KINGDOM (except Northern Ireland) and its dependent territories, and VIETNAM. Persons born in Hong Kong SAR, Macau SAR and Taiwan are eligible.

    The point being that until the law changes, USCIS deals with individuals from different countries differently.


    Concerning ROW retrogression, my H1b is an October expiry (I've been here since 1999) so I file my renewal in April (6 months in advance) with my i-140 approved I qualified for 3 years additional H1b. But with the fiasco quotas last May, June and July I was able i-485, however because USCIS issued a receipt for the i-485 they only gave me 12 months H1b renewal. then to add insult to the injury ROW retrogressed meaning another H1b renewal is likely.

    At some point I will have to decide whether to begin the H1b renewal process again.



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