gc28262
01-13 08:51 PM
Unfortunately some of our members are deriving some sadistic pleasure out of this development. However what we as a community should realize is this is just the first trick under the sleeves of anti-immigrants supported by grassley and co. Once consulting companies are out of the picture, they will target permanent employers with conditions like "the company should not have fired any US citizen in the past 6 months or plan to layoff any citizen in the upcoming 6 months." They could come up with additional restrictions for direct employers as well. At that point none of us will have any consulting companies to fall back on.
Anti-immigrants are bypassing legislative process of the country by writing letters to USCIS director and forcing USCIS to issue an internal memo which is probably illegal.
Those of you deriving sadistic pleasure out of this development, this will affect our entire community irrespective of consulting or permanent/direct at some point.
H1B restrictions for TARP companies shouldn't have faded out from our memory in this short timespan.
Anti-immigrants are bypassing legislative process of the country by writing letters to USCIS director and forcing USCIS to issue an internal memo which is probably illegal.
Those of you deriving sadistic pleasure out of this development, this will affect our entire community irrespective of consulting or permanent/direct at some point.
H1B restrictions for TARP companies shouldn't have faded out from our memory in this short timespan.
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okuzmin
05-09 04:37 PM
pmat, a word of caution and experience on FBI fingerprints/background checks.
If you're submitting fingerprints for yourself and your spouse, make sure you have certified funds of $18 (I believe that's the correct amount, but I might be wrong) PER PERSON, i.e., $36 for two people. In the instructions they just say "$18 for the background check" and give you a form to list yourself and any other adults in your family. I had to call and confirm that it's $18 a person.
They have a backlog of these background checks now; in the instructions it says the process takes up to 8 weeks, while nowadays it's up to 3 months and sometimes even longer.
It might take about a year for the Canadian Consulate to process your first batch of documents. In my case, it took 11 months. Then they notified us that our interviews were waived. In the same letter they requested the following docs:
updated letters of experience from my current employer;
updated financial docs (tax returns, pay stubs, W2's, and bank funds confirmation);
updated FBI certificates.
It doesn't say anywhere in the instructions that your fingerprint cards are only good for 1 year. When I sent my "old" fingerprints (I had two sets of those made the first time we applied), FBI returned them unprocessed after 3 months and asked for the updated fingerprint cards. Then it took them another 2 months to process those.
If you're submitting fingerprints for yourself and your spouse, make sure you have certified funds of $18 (I believe that's the correct amount, but I might be wrong) PER PERSON, i.e., $36 for two people. In the instructions they just say "$18 for the background check" and give you a form to list yourself and any other adults in your family. I had to call and confirm that it's $18 a person.
They have a backlog of these background checks now; in the instructions it says the process takes up to 8 weeks, while nowadays it's up to 3 months and sometimes even longer.
It might take about a year for the Canadian Consulate to process your first batch of documents. In my case, it took 11 months. Then they notified us that our interviews were waived. In the same letter they requested the following docs:
updated letters of experience from my current employer;
updated financial docs (tax returns, pay stubs, W2's, and bank funds confirmation);
updated FBI certificates.
It doesn't say anywhere in the instructions that your fingerprint cards are only good for 1 year. When I sent my "old" fingerprints (I had two sets of those made the first time we applied), FBI returned them unprocessed after 3 months and asked for the updated fingerprint cards. Then it took them another 2 months to process those.
sanju
04-16 10:22 AM
OK, Its your opinion and that shows your civic sense. But why are you posting the same again and again?
GCKaMaara is right, different people operate at different IQ level.
When there is so much of repeated junk in this thread from the people who think they are political strategist, then what's wrong in posting a fun youtube video twice?
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GCKaMaara is right, different people operate at different IQ level.
When there is so much of repeated junk in this thread from the people who think they are political strategist, then what's wrong in posting a fun youtube video twice?
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kumarc123
07-17 10:36 AM
I mean EB2 India will be current with in a year.
vdlroa my friend I couldn't agree less with you on that statement. Eb2 will saturate a lot of visa numbers, and will ultimately benefit our friends in EB3. As per now I believe, we should focus on creating more visibility for our cases, which will eventually help EB3 as well.
Thanks
vdlroa my friend I couldn't agree less with you on that statement. Eb2 will saturate a lot of visa numbers, and will ultimately benefit our friends in EB3. As per now I believe, we should focus on creating more visibility for our cases, which will eventually help EB3 as well.
Thanks
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Saralayar
07-03 10:40 AM
My son recently finished his high school and wanted to do Dental degree in India. My current situation is I have applied for adjustment of status in July 2007. Me and my family got the EAD and AP. My priority date is Eb3-November 2005. WIth this mess, I am not sure when I will get my green card.
My question is:
Can I send my son to India for his studies when the adjustment of status is pending. Will it be considered as abondaned if he is out of US when the adjustment of status is in progress?.
Is there any specific forms for this type of situation so that he can go for studies in India and continue the adjustment of status.
My question is:
Can I send my son to India for his studies when the adjustment of status is pending. Will it be considered as abondaned if he is out of US when the adjustment of status is in progress?.
Is there any specific forms for this type of situation so that he can go for studies in India and continue the adjustment of status.
hebbar77
09-23 03:47 PM
for people who want to invest, there is a investor visa(gc). The limit of investment is little higher though, so only few out of the current EB line will get out. Yes line will get shorter.
I dont think buying a greencard for 100,000$ or for any money is wise. You already are paying enough taxes, paying legal fees.... and of course spending ur prime here waiting for a permanent resident status.
So let them grant GCs if they feel like. Dont bribe ur way in!!
Also if one bought a home and then got a GC, lets say he sold the home right after... what abt it....!!
I dont think buying a greencard for 100,000$ or for any money is wise. You already are paying enough taxes, paying legal fees.... and of course spending ur prime here waiting for a permanent resident status.
So let them grant GCs if they feel like. Dont bribe ur way in!!
Also if one bought a home and then got a GC, lets say he sold the home right after... what abt it....!!
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GCKaMaara
04-16 10:56 AM
GCKaMaara is right, different people operate at different IQ level.
When there is so much of repeated junk in this thread from the people who think they are political strategist, then what's wrong in posting a fun youtube video twice?
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If you took an authentic IQ test, whats your IQ?
When there is so much of repeated junk in this thread from the people who think they are political strategist, then what's wrong in posting a fun youtube video twice?
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If you took an authentic IQ test, whats your IQ?
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Caliber
09-04 01:27 PM
I am not any of these. I bet you guys .. $million
Go to your postings in this thread and read what you wrote in "Brain Damage". You wanted to distribute sweets??? How do you feel when YS Jagan grabs what you have in your village? You were supporting them so much, why not advice them to return 10,000 acres of land that he grabbed for Brahmani Steels? Jesus Christ killed YSR, otherwise, they would have grabbed all your village. Be happy, Jesus took him away.
Go to your postings in this thread and read what you wrote in "Brain Damage". You wanted to distribute sweets??? How do you feel when YS Jagan grabs what you have in your village? You were supporting them so much, why not advice them to return 10,000 acres of land that he grabbed for Brahmani Steels? Jesus Christ killed YSR, otherwise, they would have grabbed all your village. Be happy, Jesus took him away.
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_TrueFacts
09-11 10:46 AM
Last nail in YSR’s coffin
Jagan gets 3 choices: DyCM, mantri, PCC (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/Jagan-gets-3-choices-DyCM-mantri-PCC/articleshow/4997385.cms)
Jagan gets 3 choices: DyCM, mantri, PCC (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/Jagan-gets-3-choices-DyCM-mantri-PCC/articleshow/4997385.cms)
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roseball
06-28 08:27 PM
June 28, 2007
USCIS: RUMORS OF EARLY VISA RETROGRESSION
Late Wednesday, rumors emerged that the USCIS may attempt to retrogress the July immigrant visa numbers early in July and reject I- 485 (adjustment of status) applications filed early in the month. USCIS has taken such action already with respect to the �other worker� visa category involving non-professional workers.
Visa availability is based on the U.S. Department of State Visa Bulletin, which is published monthly, not on a rolling basis. If USCIS cuts off visa numbers in mid-month, this would be a clear violation of Federal law and agency policy. If the USCIS were to take this arbitrary action, it would cause significant problems for applicants and employers alike.
If USCIS cuts off applications on a certain date in early July, this will most likely occur without advance warning. In that case, not all applications will be accepted for processing. Be aware that that USCIS will reject an application unless it contains certain minimum supporting documents. For I-485 applications, minimum documents include a completed medical examination and birth certificates (or secondary evidence of birth, which must meet specific USCIS requirements). Applications for dependent spouses must include a marriage certificate. We strongly recommend that I-485 applicants obtain these and other requested documents as soon as possible. Until further notice, please do not plan to travel internationally during the month of July.
We will work as hard and as diligently as possible to get I-485 applications filed quickly. This will require active cooperation by all applicants to obtain needed documents. Again, please understand that the proposed USCIS action is just rumor at this point, but if the USCIS takes such action, it will likely be without warning. Further, it is possible that there could be retroactive rejections of applications once filed. Unfortunately, this is all we know at this time. We do not know when and if any such actions will occur; we will also not know immediately which, if any, cases are rejected once they have been submitted.
The attorneys at XXXXX are shocked and disappointed that the government could take such ill-thought and arbitrary steps and we will work to fight any illegal action by the USCIS. We are continuing to monitor the USCIS� actions and will provide updates as they become available
USCIS: RUMORS OF EARLY VISA RETROGRESSION
Late Wednesday, rumors emerged that the USCIS may attempt to retrogress the July immigrant visa numbers early in July and reject I- 485 (adjustment of status) applications filed early in the month. USCIS has taken such action already with respect to the �other worker� visa category involving non-professional workers.
Visa availability is based on the U.S. Department of State Visa Bulletin, which is published monthly, not on a rolling basis. If USCIS cuts off visa numbers in mid-month, this would be a clear violation of Federal law and agency policy. If the USCIS were to take this arbitrary action, it would cause significant problems for applicants and employers alike.
If USCIS cuts off applications on a certain date in early July, this will most likely occur without advance warning. In that case, not all applications will be accepted for processing. Be aware that that USCIS will reject an application unless it contains certain minimum supporting documents. For I-485 applications, minimum documents include a completed medical examination and birth certificates (or secondary evidence of birth, which must meet specific USCIS requirements). Applications for dependent spouses must include a marriage certificate. We strongly recommend that I-485 applicants obtain these and other requested documents as soon as possible. Until further notice, please do not plan to travel internationally during the month of July.
We will work as hard and as diligently as possible to get I-485 applications filed quickly. This will require active cooperation by all applicants to obtain needed documents. Again, please understand that the proposed USCIS action is just rumor at this point, but if the USCIS takes such action, it will likely be without warning. Further, it is possible that there could be retroactive rejections of applications once filed. Unfortunately, this is all we know at this time. We do not know when and if any such actions will occur; we will also not know immediately which, if any, cases are rejected once they have been submitted.
The attorneys at XXXXX are shocked and disappointed that the government could take such ill-thought and arbitrary steps and we will work to fight any illegal action by the USCIS. We are continuing to monitor the USCIS� actions and will provide updates as they become available
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gc28262
06-12 08:10 AM
Dude, Read Vivek Wadhwas findings carefully. He wants the best and the brightest to be provided unlimited visas. I agree with him completely. He is not for perpetual fraud and wage destruction as proferred by the outsourcing companies. Next time when you quote a defence, atleast quote something that supports your case not the opponent's :-)
You are contradicting yourself in your arguments. One one side you say you are highly skilled on the other you say you are worried about depressing wages for citizens like YOU. If you were so competitive, why would you worry about competition.
If farmer grassley's bill passes through, you are the one who is going to lose your job (if you are still working at MSFT). Balmer has already threatened to move the jobs out of the country if Mr Change goes along with his protectionist policy.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=345899&postcount=1
BTW none of us on this forum favors outsourcing. Whether you like it or not, nobody can prevent outsourcing. Even if corn farmer's bill survives, outsourcing will go on. If you are looking for job security, you need to change what you do for living. This applies to all of us on this forum as well.
Could unions stop the shifting of manufacturing jobs to China. You are living in the capitalist capital of the world. Don't think companies will help you cling to your job just because you want them to.
BTW you claim only 20% of H1Bs are genuine. How did you arrive at this figure. Have you interviewed each and every candidate who received H1Bs ?
You seem to be echoing anti-immigrant's concerns. Antis also complain that MSFT product quality has been going down since they started hiring H1Bs. I guess they were complaining about people like you.
You are contradicting yourself in your arguments. One one side you say you are highly skilled on the other you say you are worried about depressing wages for citizens like YOU. If you were so competitive, why would you worry about competition.
If farmer grassley's bill passes through, you are the one who is going to lose your job (if you are still working at MSFT). Balmer has already threatened to move the jobs out of the country if Mr Change goes along with his protectionist policy.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=345899&postcount=1
BTW none of us on this forum favors outsourcing. Whether you like it or not, nobody can prevent outsourcing. Even if corn farmer's bill survives, outsourcing will go on. If you are looking for job security, you need to change what you do for living. This applies to all of us on this forum as well.
Could unions stop the shifting of manufacturing jobs to China. You are living in the capitalist capital of the world. Don't think companies will help you cling to your job just because you want them to.
BTW you claim only 20% of H1Bs are genuine. How did you arrive at this figure. Have you interviewed each and every candidate who received H1Bs ?
You seem to be echoing anti-immigrant's concerns. Antis also complain that MSFT product quality has been going down since they started hiring H1Bs. I guess they were complaining about people like you.
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qualified_trash
05-17 06:11 PM
Hello Friends and my fellow GC awaiters..
I have my labor pending for the past 3 yrs (my PD is Aug 2003) and have been waiting for ever. Inspite having a Master's I did filee in EB3 just because I work for a large company which does not allow to file in EB2.
Anyways, I came across a company who said that they have a pre approved labor (late 2002) priority date. Is it wise to go for it or wait for something in EB category to move ahead?. I have at least 1 yr 3 months on H1 and will not have any other options except to stay in the company after 3 months.
Is it worth taking the risk and go with the labor substitution?
The second question/advice I'd like from you is:
If I go back to the same company after 6 months because of some issue with the labor can I still preserve my 2003 PD?
Pls let me know your opinion.
Thx a lot guys.
Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies
1MoreDesi !
I personally know of 2 friends - live within half a mile of where I do, who got their GCs using labor substitution. If the lawyer and sponsoring company are good, go for it. Keep in mind that this is going to go away soon.........
I have my labor pending for the past 3 yrs (my PD is Aug 2003) and have been waiting for ever. Inspite having a Master's I did filee in EB3 just because I work for a large company which does not allow to file in EB2.
Anyways, I came across a company who said that they have a pre approved labor (late 2002) priority date. Is it wise to go for it or wait for something in EB category to move ahead?. I have at least 1 yr 3 months on H1 and will not have any other options except to stay in the company after 3 months.
Is it worth taking the risk and go with the labor substitution?
The second question/advice I'd like from you is:
If I go back to the same company after 6 months because of some issue with the labor can I still preserve my 2003 PD?
Pls let me know your opinion.
Thx a lot guys.
Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies
1MoreDesi !
I personally know of 2 friends - live within half a mile of where I do, who got their GCs using labor substitution. If the lawyer and sponsoring company are good, go for it. Keep in mind that this is going to go away soon.........
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ghouse1742
03-30 06:23 PM
Dude, I respect your view....but I dont think I have the apetite or heart to support or vote some one who has the blood of 2000 innocents in his hand. The Supreme court rightly called him "the modern day Nero". I think we Indians can do better than the Modi's, Tytlers and Shahnawaz's of this world.
Boss, remove Atalji. He is on bed for last 8 months. So no chance for him.
Sonia Gandhi is out of question as people will not accept her.
Rahul is a baccha ( KID ) in front of all those stalwarts ( old and experience wolves ).
Contest should be only between MMS and Advani.
Though i would have loved to see Modi on PM HOT seat.
Boss, remove Atalji. He is on bed for last 8 months. So no chance for him.
Sonia Gandhi is out of question as people will not accept her.
Rahul is a baccha ( KID ) in front of all those stalwarts ( old and experience wolves ).
Contest should be only between MMS and Advani.
Though i would have loved to see Modi on PM HOT seat.
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gopinathan
07-28 01:04 PM
your past experience is doing this talk.. not only you, 99 % of people I met have the same animosity towards other desis who are walking towards them. unfortunate but true.
if you don't give a damn about Amway, thats OK. no outsiders need to know that and surely not me as I will not talk to you about amway in the first place. thats the whole point. no one should rub it on others. sometimes relatives/friends go a little overboard trying to sell this pitch but that OK. its between 2 people who know each other and its just between them.
Hi Gopi,
Good post. But tell me why should i give a damn about either Amway or BWW? I don't.
It is horribly insane to talk to your business ambitions to a stranger. Every person is different and I personally take it offensive when someone I don't know comes and bothers me with his/her business nonsense. I am sure there are many people who think in the same way.
In the beginning, whenever a I came across a Desi in a mall or in a public place, it used to make me happy. Now, I always suspect that it could be a Amway SOB who is coming to me with his trash bag.
By the way, Gopi, this is nothing against you personally.
To all Amway street walkers, get the hell out of my way. I don't want to hear your nonsense. Period.
if you don't give a damn about Amway, thats OK. no outsiders need to know that and surely not me as I will not talk to you about amway in the first place. thats the whole point. no one should rub it on others. sometimes relatives/friends go a little overboard trying to sell this pitch but that OK. its between 2 people who know each other and its just between them.
Hi Gopi,
Good post. But tell me why should i give a damn about either Amway or BWW? I don't.
It is horribly insane to talk to your business ambitions to a stranger. Every person is different and I personally take it offensive when someone I don't know comes and bothers me with his/her business nonsense. I am sure there are many people who think in the same way.
In the beginning, whenever a I came across a Desi in a mall or in a public place, it used to make me happy. Now, I always suspect that it could be a Amway SOB who is coming to me with his trash bag.
By the way, Gopi, this is nothing against you personally.
To all Amway street walkers, get the hell out of my way. I don't want to hear your nonsense. Period.
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thomachan72
03-28 09:49 AM
I just now posted that how no one mentioned Dr. JayaprakashNarayan. Well someone did mention.
I guess that's not enough. There are lot of people who are not aware of this great leader.We need to spread the word about LokSatta.
Listened to him and here are my thoughts:
Pros
1) Great idea about getting everybody involved in politics
2) Is certainly not an emotional man but rather with great convictions and integrity
Cons
1) Seems to somehow promote atleast sublimly that marksist/communist are better
The last thing we want in India is a marksist/communist movement. Right from the begining (first govt after independence) our prosperity has always been guided by a socialistic but increasingly capitalistic aproach. I wish he realizes that and focus more on political correctness rather than promote communism/socialism.
WE DONT WANT COMMUNISM/SOCIALISM IN INDIA. THESE PARTIES ARE ANTIDEVELOPMENT AND ANTIPROSPERITY. THEY WANT EVERYBODY TO BE POOOR, LAZY AND WITHOUT ANY PERSONAL FREEDOM. EVERYTHING IS FOR THE PARTY AND BY THE PARTY. INDIVIDUALITY DOESN'T EXIST.
I guess that's not enough. There are lot of people who are not aware of this great leader.We need to spread the word about LokSatta.
Listened to him and here are my thoughts:
Pros
1) Great idea about getting everybody involved in politics
2) Is certainly not an emotional man but rather with great convictions and integrity
Cons
1) Seems to somehow promote atleast sublimly that marksist/communist are better
The last thing we want in India is a marksist/communist movement. Right from the begining (first govt after independence) our prosperity has always been guided by a socialistic but increasingly capitalistic aproach. I wish he realizes that and focus more on political correctness rather than promote communism/socialism.
WE DONT WANT COMMUNISM/SOCIALISM IN INDIA. THESE PARTIES ARE ANTIDEVELOPMENT AND ANTIPROSPERITY. THEY WANT EVERYBODY TO BE POOOR, LAZY AND WITHOUT ANY PERSONAL FREEDOM. EVERYTHING IS FOR THE PARTY AND BY THE PARTY. INDIVIDUALITY DOESN'T EXIST.
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tempgc
09-14 03:21 PM
1. I-140 premium processing will increase ROW applications
Its next to impossible to get approval of EB2 PERM and 140 in the current situation.
2. 29 months opt is causing ROW applicants to bypass
H1-B and go for GC directly
I doubt validity of this stmt
5. Perm was introduced in early 2005 and lot of EB2 applications labors were approved in 2005
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Its only 2655 for EB2I in 2005 PERM.
Its next to impossible to get approval of EB2 PERM and 140 in the current situation.
2. 29 months opt is causing ROW applicants to bypass
H1-B and go for GC directly
I doubt validity of this stmt
5. Perm was introduced in early 2005 and lot of EB2 applications labors were approved in 2005
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Its only 2655 for EB2I in 2005 PERM.
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kumarc123
07-29 11:08 AM
The argument that EB2-1 PD will retrogress to 2002 or 2004 does not seem to be based on numbers, but a random speculation. Doesn't not undermine vdlrao's projections in a credible way
Spillover may not be there, or may be there but when the new quota opens up October 1st, new minimum numbers will be available for EB2-I. Worst case scenario, dates will remain static or very minimal backward movement. It looks like the black hole is the time between late 2004 and early 2005, pre-PERM.Other than saying there is massive inventory of backlogged cases, Ron has not given better/ actual numbers of likely pending EB-2 I cases.
I agree with you, and believe me, all the white lawyers, none of them go the extra mile to calculate numbers. All they are concerned with is their fees.
I have a white lawyer and being a member in IV, I know more than she does. Her lack of knowledge does not undermine her credibility, but it is not her job to know the numbers, she presents her client's case to INS, from there its guess work.
I think Vldrao and other members are not too optimistic or blindly optimistic, they calculated numbers and analyzed the results.
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Spillover may not be there, or may be there but when the new quota opens up October 1st, new minimum numbers will be available for EB2-I. Worst case scenario, dates will remain static or very minimal backward movement. It looks like the black hole is the time between late 2004 and early 2005, pre-PERM.Other than saying there is massive inventory of backlogged cases, Ron has not given better/ actual numbers of likely pending EB-2 I cases.
I agree with you, and believe me, all the white lawyers, none of them go the extra mile to calculate numbers. All they are concerned with is their fees.
I have a white lawyer and being a member in IV, I know more than she does. Her lack of knowledge does not undermine her credibility, but it is not her job to know the numbers, she presents her client's case to INS, from there its guess work.
I think Vldrao and other members are not too optimistic or blindly optimistic, they calculated numbers and analyzed the results.
Thanks
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ita
03-30 02:56 PM
For all we know we may not be casting our vote but it is very important to know what is going on around us and this discussion is like a reality check though I agree immigration forum may not be the right place for this discussion.
Coming back to MMS,Advani-going by the qualities you attributed to these guys MMS is like that exquisite diamond that will always sit inside the locked case who can only tantalize people but cannot make anyone happy(since Sonia and Co will never let his policies/Intelligence reach common man.)
LK may not be that exquisite a diamond but he is not caged .I don't think he's a dunghill either.
The most of the guys posting in this thread is not going to vote. Even I think, we all do not have our names in electoral list. There is no sense in arguing who is best or who should be next PM, sitting in US. Furthermore, most of the educated, urban voters will never go to polling booth in hot summer to stand in line to do their duty as a citizen.. Indian�s election of their representatives is fundamentally a show of money and muscle power. Election in India is just a business. It is just investment of money by political parties with the help of capitalists and their lobbyist to get the vote from rural, uneducated, divided voters across the nation. All parties are corruptive, communal, divisive, plays vote bank politics. No exceptions! (whether it is Congress, BJP, communists, BSP, SP, and countless regional parties). One thing I can say or compare about Congress and BJP. Congress is the only party has responsible for bringing both good (economy, growth, education,) and bad (corruption and countless other) thing to India. BJP has not done any good thing to India sofar, only it brought bad things to India (divisive, corruption).
My input regarding comparison of Manmohan and Advani.
Manmohan.
Though, he is not a full time politician, and not a good crowd pulling speaker, he has strong record. He has quietly achieved lot as a RBI governor; FM and PM. US nuclear agreement is a big achievement in his career, despite he had a minority government with the strong left opposition. He does not have long term independent vision, and strong leadership skills. He was widely accepted by all part of the country, as he has no controversial issues.
Advani,
He is a good speaker, crowd puller. He is a typical Indian politician. He has leadership skills. He does not have any significant record/achievement to back his claim for PM (either as a ex-minister or politician). For example, he has not done anything to improve the national security when he was a union home minister. He has involved in controversial issue like Babri Majit, and Ram temple issue. He also does not have long term vision, ideas on economy, poverty elimination etc..
Coming back to MMS,Advani-going by the qualities you attributed to these guys MMS is like that exquisite diamond that will always sit inside the locked case who can only tantalize people but cannot make anyone happy(since Sonia and Co will never let his policies/Intelligence reach common man.)
LK may not be that exquisite a diamond but he is not caged .I don't think he's a dunghill either.
The most of the guys posting in this thread is not going to vote. Even I think, we all do not have our names in electoral list. There is no sense in arguing who is best or who should be next PM, sitting in US. Furthermore, most of the educated, urban voters will never go to polling booth in hot summer to stand in line to do their duty as a citizen.. Indian�s election of their representatives is fundamentally a show of money and muscle power. Election in India is just a business. It is just investment of money by political parties with the help of capitalists and their lobbyist to get the vote from rural, uneducated, divided voters across the nation. All parties are corruptive, communal, divisive, plays vote bank politics. No exceptions! (whether it is Congress, BJP, communists, BSP, SP, and countless regional parties). One thing I can say or compare about Congress and BJP. Congress is the only party has responsible for bringing both good (economy, growth, education,) and bad (corruption and countless other) thing to India. BJP has not done any good thing to India sofar, only it brought bad things to India (divisive, corruption).
My input regarding comparison of Manmohan and Advani.
Manmohan.
Though, he is not a full time politician, and not a good crowd pulling speaker, he has strong record. He has quietly achieved lot as a RBI governor; FM and PM. US nuclear agreement is a big achievement in his career, despite he had a minority government with the strong left opposition. He does not have long term independent vision, and strong leadership skills. He was widely accepted by all part of the country, as he has no controversial issues.
Advani,
He is a good speaker, crowd puller. He is a typical Indian politician. He has leadership skills. He does not have any significant record/achievement to back his claim for PM (either as a ex-minister or politician). For example, he has not done anything to improve the national security when he was a union home minister. He has involved in controversial issue like Babri Majit, and Ram temple issue. He also does not have long term vision, ideas on economy, poverty elimination etc..
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Vishal2007
05-02 12:46 AM
read Indian history, you know how Gandhiji is self-fish.
sammyb
02-14 01:53 PM
to close this thread and/or change settings so that no further new posts allowed... We have had enough on this ... it is now better to rest this topic in peace...
vjkypally
07-04 09:50 AM
Just Digged all 3 links posted by Tikka
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