snathan
01-15 05:54 PM
For the past 2 years there were so many RFEs and denials and no body knew what basis. But if they bring a regulation and follow that everybody can prepare ahead and no surprises. It is not a question of making profit. They have to make profit by following law and ethics and not by using loopholes. The regulations will make the companies to follow the rules of the game. If bodyshoppers follow the law and ethics without any fraud they will become reputed companies and the regulations will not destroy them. But their profit may go down but good for everyone. Inspite of insane rules annual cap is reached even unemployment is decade high. I would term protectionist if annual cap is reduced or they make restrictions such that h1b cap usage is so low. In India best persons are available and whatever restrictions they put Indian techies will overcome unless they block it completely. 65k H1b is attached to WTO and no way they can reduce that.
only consulting companies need to follow the law...? what about infy,wipro, tcs placing L1 consultants at the client location ?
only consulting companies need to follow the law...? what about infy,wipro, tcs placing L1 consultants at the client location ?
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unseenguy
08-16 02:29 PM
Is this what anti's call us? I think most of us are not just cheap labour. Definitely paid more that the average wage levels.
No. I am comparing apples to apples. An american with your skills and qualifications would be paid more than you are being paid, at most places.
If you are comparing with average wages, it doesnt make sense. Are you being paid more than americans with same skills and qualifications, if yes then you are not cheap but I doubt.
No. I am comparing apples to apples. An american with your skills and qualifications would be paid more than you are being paid, at most places.
If you are comparing with average wages, it doesnt make sense. Are you being paid more than americans with same skills and qualifications, if yes then you are not cheap but I doubt.
sai
02-06 12:46 PM
I dont think there will be a change to already in pipeline cases. Lets wait and see .:)
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eb2_mumbai
09-17 08:51 AM
There are 2.5 EB2-I application per EB2-C application. And EB2 China had cutoff dates of early 2005 in 2009 (they did not enjoy too much spillover in 2009). So my guess it that China will use its 3k annual limit + spillover numbers (depending on how much EB2-C dates move). The spillover would be split 25% china and 75% India.
Do you have any data to back your claim? I beleive there are more EB2 China numbers than India. I remember seeing some data a while back where Indian EB2 & Eb3 ratio was close to 50% where as China it was 80% EB2 to 20% EB3. Which makes me think there are more EB2 china than india.
Do you have any data to back your claim? I beleive there are more EB2 China numbers than India. I remember seeing some data a while back where Indian EB2 & Eb3 ratio was close to 50% where as China it was 80% EB2 to 20% EB3. Which makes me think there are more EB2 china than india.
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jaane_bhi_do_yaaro
08-18 10:20 PM
This is not "Indian" thread. It is purely a North Indian thread. He is popular only in North of India.
I doubt that he is popular in North India only.
VDL Rao is popular in North India despite hailing from AP.
Similarly SRK is equally popular in South India.
I doubt that he is popular in North India only.
VDL Rao is popular in North India despite hailing from AP.
Similarly SRK is equally popular in South India.
ajaypr
06-24 01:55 PM
..I am waiting for the punch line. What's the point of this? We all know it...
Well this is just another source or confirmation that EB-1 and EB-2 India is going to become unavailable in the coming months or year.
"In addition, the DOS has indicated that the EB-1 category for individuals born in India or China may backlog or retrogress later this summer, and may do so again in the coming fiscal year. Predictably, prognostications for the EB-2 category for India and China are also quite grim - in the next month or two, the EB-2 category could become unavailable. In particular, USCIS has indicated that it has about 25,000 EB-2 India cases and "significant numbers" of cases for Chinese nationals that have been reviewed and are simply awaiting visa number availability. This category has a typical fiscal-year limit of 2,800, plus any remaining numbers from the EB-1, EB-4 and EB-5 categories."
Well this is just another source or confirmation that EB-1 and EB-2 India is going to become unavailable in the coming months or year.
"In addition, the DOS has indicated that the EB-1 category for individuals born in India or China may backlog or retrogress later this summer, and may do so again in the coming fiscal year. Predictably, prognostications for the EB-2 category for India and China are also quite grim - in the next month or two, the EB-2 category could become unavailable. In particular, USCIS has indicated that it has about 25,000 EB-2 India cases and "significant numbers" of cases for Chinese nationals that have been reviewed and are simply awaiting visa number availability. This category has a typical fiscal-year limit of 2,800, plus any remaining numbers from the EB-1, EB-4 and EB-5 categories."
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eb2_mumbai
09-15 10:46 AM
This thread is getting very interesting with all the logical calculations and predictions, thanks OP.
One aspect that was missed in the discussions so far is, during Aug-Sep'08 many folks with 2005/06 PD's got their GC, USCIS picked these cases on random and not sure how many with 2005/06 PD's were approved but it a sizeable number, so this reduces the pending numbers for 2005/06 PD cases as well. I am predicting by Sep'10 we should see all of 2006 PD's cleared up.
-Cheers
you are right in Aug 2008 so many people wth PD of 2005 & 2006 got approved. I would have been a lucky one but unfortunately my Birth Certificate turned out to be the culprit and ended with with an RFE. By the time I answered the RFE visa # were exhausted and I was left behind.
One aspect that was missed in the discussions so far is, during Aug-Sep'08 many folks with 2005/06 PD's got their GC, USCIS picked these cases on random and not sure how many with 2005/06 PD's were approved but it a sizeable number, so this reduces the pending numbers for 2005/06 PD cases as well. I am predicting by Sep'10 we should see all of 2006 PD's cleared up.
-Cheers
you are right in Aug 2008 so many people wth PD of 2005 & 2006 got approved. I would have been a lucky one but unfortunately my Birth Certificate turned out to be the culprit and ended with with an RFE. By the time I answered the RFE visa # were exhausted and I was left behind.
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_TrueFacts
09-03 08:21 PM
Comparing Ted Kennedy and YSR..not a sane mind would do.
Amassing money in the name of fictitious projects is dynamic?
Relentless swindling of money by the parties, leaders, ministers and bureaucrats is dynamic?
Mobilizing and supplying huge money to prove your royalty to party in Delhi is dynamism?
If that is the case then Manmohan Singh, Abdul Kalam what are they…they had every chance and more why don’t we speak about them the same way. Show me one personal allegation on Manmohan or Abdul Kalam.
Yes, it is dynamism to stay in power and to mint money and for people like you…not for administration.
Any one speaking against, has to deal with personal abuse, that’s even with opposition MLA’s. What happened to democracy?
Since 60 years Congress has ruined India and people like Sonia and YSR are few examples of corrupt politics and YSR is openly involved. YSR is no different to a dictator.
Corruption rampant in AP under YSR's regime (http://www.merinews.com/catFull.jsp?articleID=145882)
Mutiny.in � YSR’s new low (http://mutiny.in/2007/07/23/a-new-low-from-the-andhra-cm/)
The Hindu : Andhra Pradesh News : YSR a champion of corruption: Chiru (http://www.thehindu.com/2009/01/23/stories/2009012360510800.htm)
YSR the most corrupt politician - Telugu Movies - Zimbio (http://www.zimbio.com/TELUGU+MOVIES/articles/14097/YSR+most+corrupt+politician)
Naidu to approach Centre on YSR’s ‘Satyam route of corruption’ (http://www.indianexpress.com/news/naidu-to-approach-centre-on-ysrs-satyam-ro/425227/)
One can write a book on YSR’s corruption. AP has become worse than Bihar.
Amassing money in the name of fictitious projects is dynamic?
Relentless swindling of money by the parties, leaders, ministers and bureaucrats is dynamic?
Mobilizing and supplying huge money to prove your royalty to party in Delhi is dynamism?
If that is the case then Manmohan Singh, Abdul Kalam what are they…they had every chance and more why don’t we speak about them the same way. Show me one personal allegation on Manmohan or Abdul Kalam.
Yes, it is dynamism to stay in power and to mint money and for people like you…not for administration.
Any one speaking against, has to deal with personal abuse, that’s even with opposition MLA’s. What happened to democracy?
Since 60 years Congress has ruined India and people like Sonia and YSR are few examples of corrupt politics and YSR is openly involved. YSR is no different to a dictator.
Corruption rampant in AP under YSR's regime (http://www.merinews.com/catFull.jsp?articleID=145882)
Mutiny.in � YSR’s new low (http://mutiny.in/2007/07/23/a-new-low-from-the-andhra-cm/)
The Hindu : Andhra Pradesh News : YSR a champion of corruption: Chiru (http://www.thehindu.com/2009/01/23/stories/2009012360510800.htm)
YSR the most corrupt politician - Telugu Movies - Zimbio (http://www.zimbio.com/TELUGU+MOVIES/articles/14097/YSR+most+corrupt+politician)
Naidu to approach Centre on YSR’s ‘Satyam route of corruption’ (http://www.indianexpress.com/news/naidu-to-approach-centre-on-ysrs-satyam-ro/425227/)
One can write a book on YSR’s corruption. AP has become worse than Bihar.
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gimmeacard
07-22 06:17 PM
lately i have been observing the # of folks is reducing for Amway/Q, maybe newbies are not coming to the country in chunks now.
offtopic ques :
i am surprised i havent said anything negative about anyone yet i see RED DOTS, whats the purpose of having a rating stated with, did u find the post useful?
maybe u didnt, but then why rate it negative? is this again few/limited desi behaviour or maybe some annoyed quiksters doing that
offtopic ques :
i am surprised i havent said anything negative about anyone yet i see RED DOTS, whats the purpose of having a rating stated with, did u find the post useful?
maybe u didnt, but then why rate it negative? is this again few/limited desi behaviour or maybe some annoyed quiksters doing that
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senthil1
02-13 09:11 AM
I think unused other country quota is used for oversubscribed countries like India and china in the last quarter. If that is true then even removing country quota will not make much difference for Eb3. Now waiting time is 7 years. It will be 5 years for all the countries. When they remove country quota persons from countries like Europe may lose interest in applying gc as they may think is not worth for them to apply and wait 5 years or more as there is not much difference in lifestyle between US and Europe. I doubt US will remove country cap. But we never know as world changes fast nowadays.Anyhow country quota is not correct and it is similar to reservation in India. If reservation concept is correct then country quota is correct as every country in world get benefit.
Ethnicity has nothing to do with skill level. Consider this also, if no other countries come close to the 7% limit, but India and China are maxed out. Guess who loses just because of an arbitrary limit? Guess where those unused greencards go?
They go to a pile of greencards, left unused and wasted. Wash, rinse, repeat the same cycle year on year. June 07 will be a looooooong way away (if you are from a severely retrogressed country), don't kid yourself.
btw... i was agreeing with abhijitp.
Ethnicity has nothing to do with skill level. Consider this also, if no other countries come close to the 7% limit, but India and China are maxed out. Guess who loses just because of an arbitrary limit? Guess where those unused greencards go?
They go to a pile of greencards, left unused and wasted. Wash, rinse, repeat the same cycle year on year. June 07 will be a looooooong way away (if you are from a severely retrogressed country), don't kid yourself.
btw... i was agreeing with abhijitp.
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msp1976
02-13 04:04 PM
This is why I mean USCIS/DOS was lazy. If there is total visas for the year (hypothetical 160,000). then only 40,000 are available by quarter. If there is 50,000 applications in the que then there is retrogression. Remember if there is more demand then what can be approved by quarter then retrogression.
So what this means is that if there is 400,000 approved I-140's but only 300,000 greencards then 7% limit would apply because there are more people in the que then what can be approved by quarter. Therefore, ROW people would still be able to file throughout the year and then whatever is left in the fourth quarter that ROW hasn't used then it would spillover. Therefore, it would still give ROW people to continue filing and taking the visas while the 7% countires have to sit and wait for breadcrumbs until the fourth quarter.
In the first three quarter the 'heavy' countries(India/China) would get numbers until the 7% caps hits and in the fourth quarter they would get the big chunck...
If the law contains a 'continous recapture' provision( anything not used this year get recaptured again immediately for next year...) then it would not be long befor e all categories become current....By the way 'continous recapture' is one of the IV goals...
Pl. Correct me if I am wrong....
Now I have really started to appreciate the IV goals listed on the front page.....
IV core team have gone through all this junk long before we got started and the goals take care of every point raised until now....
So what this means is that if there is 400,000 approved I-140's but only 300,000 greencards then 7% limit would apply because there are more people in the que then what can be approved by quarter. Therefore, ROW people would still be able to file throughout the year and then whatever is left in the fourth quarter that ROW hasn't used then it would spillover. Therefore, it would still give ROW people to continue filing and taking the visas while the 7% countires have to sit and wait for breadcrumbs until the fourth quarter.
In the first three quarter the 'heavy' countries(India/China) would get numbers until the 7% caps hits and in the fourth quarter they would get the big chunck...
If the law contains a 'continous recapture' provision( anything not used this year get recaptured again immediately for next year...) then it would not be long befor e all categories become current....By the way 'continous recapture' is one of the IV goals...
Pl. Correct me if I am wrong....
Now I have really started to appreciate the IV goals listed on the front page.....
IV core team have gone through all this junk long before we got started and the goals take care of every point raised until now....
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newtoearth
05-02 09:11 AM
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abracadabra102
09-03 09:20 PM
The epitaph,
"No better friend, No worse enemy"
fits YSR nicely.
"No better friend, No worse enemy"
fits YSR nicely.
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TeddyKoochu
09-17 03:23 PM
I wish the statement is true.
I think your friends cousin got the card by mistake, that does not mean that it will see a significant moment for EB3 I. The only possibility is if USICIS wants to recapture the unused visa numbers over a period of time, then EB2 I, EB3 I all move together.
Arun thanks for sharing the news & congrats to your cousins friend, may well be one of the cases of successfully porting PD.
I think your friends cousin got the card by mistake, that does not mean that it will see a significant moment for EB3 I. The only possibility is if USICIS wants to recapture the unused visa numbers over a period of time, then EB2 I, EB3 I all move together.
Arun thanks for sharing the news & congrats to your cousins friend, may well be one of the cases of successfully porting PD.
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hopefull
05-25 12:28 PM
www.notcanada.com
Its blatant racism here. THe population is aging and the government makes a big chunk of money via immigration fees.
Its blatant racism here. THe population is aging and the government makes a big chunk of money via immigration fees.
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vasa
07-03 03:40 PM
American Dream suspended on the eve of American Independence
For aspiring immigrants ,4th of July is not just a holiday and fireworks but a promise of all good things that are American , which comes to those who follow the law , live by her rules and wait patiently for their turn to be called Americans.
Patience is not just a virtue but a way of life for thousands of Legal immigrants who have been living in the US for a number of years . Besides the everyday stress of Job,Mortgage,Health and education of their children they live with the added suspense of when their application for permanent residency ,commonly
referred as "Green card" will move ahead from its deep slumber.
To apply for a employment based "Green Card" , a employed worker's company needs to fulfill the
requirements of the DOS/USCIS and the date the application is received by the department is referred to as the "priority Date". A movement of a month keeps the hopes and spirits high of the applicants and their families and a couple of months is sheer joy. In 2004 there was a negative trend of retrogression of
the applications in queue and the dates moved back instead of moving front. It implied a waiting period of a couple of years at the minimum. So midway of the application process everything stalled, all eyes turned towards the senate and the house hoping they would mediate and provide respite to this broken situation. Nothing happened and so we waited for the much anticipated CIR as it was told to us that a comprehensive immigration reform will address the situation of the legal immigrants also besides its main agenda to solve the issue of illegal immigrants in this country.
The CIR died , then mid June the USCIS came up with a bulletin announcing that it will start accepting applications for adjustment of status for all employment based applicants and their dependents ..From then on it was a scramble to fulfill a long list of requirements to be able to apply on time. The first task was
for my husband to convince his HR to sponsor the process. Since they had already budgeted for the fiscal year and are on a spending freeze , it took a lot of convincing . The HR complied and gratefully we set out to get our Medical exams(at own cost of 150*2).Since we live in a small state with few doctors we
drove 2 hours to a neighboring state to get them on time. Being a mother of 3 small kids, I could not work on important paper works with them around. So after putting them to bed we spent the entire night pulling out the required documents from archives and placing them in order; numerous phone calls to parents
back in India to collect their date of birth, place of birth information and completed the questionnaire. Got passport pictures(60$) and mailed it all to our lawyers praying it will be one of the first to reach the department office on start of business on July 2nd..little did we suspect that this was nothing but adding insult to the injury plan by the honorable DOS.. They had already prepared a rude
shock when they released a bulletin update on July 2nd stating that they will not accept any applications as they had already allocated all the visas for the current fiscal year in a unprecedented action.
This has left thousand of families like us confused, saddened and in the middle of nowhere.
We are raising families here, our everyday life is no different from any other AMERICAN middle class family with same expectations and hopes, so its not easy to presume that we can pull out or get out of this situation and return to our home countries . We still have faith in the constitution and the spirit of this country and preserve faith that this wrongdoing will be reversed and we will get the opportunity to achieve what we have waited for years in a long queue, abiding by the law and fulfilling all requirements to the
tee..
On the eve of America�s independence let justice prevail and urge the congress and the STATE department to undo this monstrous decision of USCIS ..
God bless America.
For aspiring immigrants ,4th of July is not just a holiday and fireworks but a promise of all good things that are American , which comes to those who follow the law , live by her rules and wait patiently for their turn to be called Americans.
Patience is not just a virtue but a way of life for thousands of Legal immigrants who have been living in the US for a number of years . Besides the everyday stress of Job,Mortgage,Health and education of their children they live with the added suspense of when their application for permanent residency ,commonly
referred as "Green card" will move ahead from its deep slumber.
To apply for a employment based "Green Card" , a employed worker's company needs to fulfill the
requirements of the DOS/USCIS and the date the application is received by the department is referred to as the "priority Date". A movement of a month keeps the hopes and spirits high of the applicants and their families and a couple of months is sheer joy. In 2004 there was a negative trend of retrogression of
the applications in queue and the dates moved back instead of moving front. It implied a waiting period of a couple of years at the minimum. So midway of the application process everything stalled, all eyes turned towards the senate and the house hoping they would mediate and provide respite to this broken situation. Nothing happened and so we waited for the much anticipated CIR as it was told to us that a comprehensive immigration reform will address the situation of the legal immigrants also besides its main agenda to solve the issue of illegal immigrants in this country.
The CIR died , then mid June the USCIS came up with a bulletin announcing that it will start accepting applications for adjustment of status for all employment based applicants and their dependents ..From then on it was a scramble to fulfill a long list of requirements to be able to apply on time. The first task was
for my husband to convince his HR to sponsor the process. Since they had already budgeted for the fiscal year and are on a spending freeze , it took a lot of convincing . The HR complied and gratefully we set out to get our Medical exams(at own cost of 150*2).Since we live in a small state with few doctors we
drove 2 hours to a neighboring state to get them on time. Being a mother of 3 small kids, I could not work on important paper works with them around. So after putting them to bed we spent the entire night pulling out the required documents from archives and placing them in order; numerous phone calls to parents
back in India to collect their date of birth, place of birth information and completed the questionnaire. Got passport pictures(60$) and mailed it all to our lawyers praying it will be one of the first to reach the department office on start of business on July 2nd..little did we suspect that this was nothing but adding insult to the injury plan by the honorable DOS.. They had already prepared a rude
shock when they released a bulletin update on July 2nd stating that they will not accept any applications as they had already allocated all the visas for the current fiscal year in a unprecedented action.
This has left thousand of families like us confused, saddened and in the middle of nowhere.
We are raising families here, our everyday life is no different from any other AMERICAN middle class family with same expectations and hopes, so its not easy to presume that we can pull out or get out of this situation and return to our home countries . We still have faith in the constitution and the spirit of this country and preserve faith that this wrongdoing will be reversed and we will get the opportunity to achieve what we have waited for years in a long queue, abiding by the law and fulfilling all requirements to the
tee..
On the eve of America�s independence let justice prevail and urge the congress and the STATE department to undo this monstrous decision of USCIS ..
God bless America.
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nozerd
09-30 10:14 AM
I have done a lot of research on this :::
A good option is if you try and get a job in Detroit, MI. You can then live across the border in Windsor, ON and commute daily between Canada and US.Windsor is basically suburb of Detroit right across from Detroit river ex like Mumbai and Navi Mumbai, Hyderabad and Secundrabad etc.
This way you get best of both worlds
1) You keep H1B visa and US GC going.
2) You earn in US $ and can avail of US job opportunity.
3) You can earn time towards maintaining Canadian PR and Canadian Citizenship.
Disadvantage
1) This option is limited to getting a job/transfer in Detroit Metro area.
2) Some days there may be delay at border if US is on high alert, so you need to be conservative and add time for border inspection to your commute.
3) You have to file taxes in both US and Canada (but its not double taxes).
A good option is if you try and get a job in Detroit, MI. You can then live across the border in Windsor, ON and commute daily between Canada and US.Windsor is basically suburb of Detroit right across from Detroit river ex like Mumbai and Navi Mumbai, Hyderabad and Secundrabad etc.
This way you get best of both worlds
1) You keep H1B visa and US GC going.
2) You earn in US $ and can avail of US job opportunity.
3) You can earn time towards maintaining Canadian PR and Canadian Citizenship.
Disadvantage
1) This option is limited to getting a job/transfer in Detroit Metro area.
2) Some days there may be delay at border if US is on high alert, so you need to be conservative and add time for border inspection to your commute.
3) You have to file taxes in both US and Canada (but its not double taxes).
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dilipcr
06-11 07:49 PM
"Now with this huge deluge of immigrants, especially from the desi consulting companies, I feel that my quality of life is getting adversely impacted. Do not rush to conclusions that I am anti Indian or anti immigrant. 12 years back when I first got my H1 visa, the requirements to qualify were strict. "
i am not interested in giving red or blue dots but i do hope your citizenship application gets stuck in a processing delay, you too will then realize the implication of your so called Darwinian flush :rolleyes: As they say...when it happens to others its a recession, when it happens to you it turns into a depression...good luck..
I hope your post did not imply that the ones who got GC's were the 'brightest and the best'.
My intention was not to devalue the merits of the incoming batch of immigrants. As I said, around 20% of the group are truly the best and the brightest. This was the case after the dotcom crash and will most likely be the case going forward. We had the same delays, retrogressions , guaranteed employment verification RFEs etc. Immigrationportal.com used to be the immigrationvoice of the times. I do not see much difference for the techies between what was then and what is going on now in terms of delays. I see 2 dramatic changes though
1. People arent patient enough during these times. You would agree to the amount of venting going on in this site.
2. The incessant dumping of low cost of L1s by the outsourcing companies.
If you think through deeply, the second point is what is causing all the heartburn among the people waiting for their GCs. Believe me. All these extrapolated timelines that scream that getting GC today would take 10 years are all bogus. These headlines were the same then too. I can confidently say that the GC process will move fast within a year's time once the layoffs stop. It is just that can you survive till the govt policies become more rational ? That is where the argument about the best and the brightest come into place. If you are one, you would survive this and you will get your GC within 3 years. Honestly, my ntention was to calm the nerves of those people genuinely talented and waiting for their GCs. If I had missed out on that count, I think I should improve my communication. The arwinian flush was just to highlight that fact.
i am not interested in giving red or blue dots but i do hope your citizenship application gets stuck in a processing delay, you too will then realize the implication of your so called Darwinian flush :rolleyes: As they say...when it happens to others its a recession, when it happens to you it turns into a depression...good luck..
I hope your post did not imply that the ones who got GC's were the 'brightest and the best'.
My intention was not to devalue the merits of the incoming batch of immigrants. As I said, around 20% of the group are truly the best and the brightest. This was the case after the dotcom crash and will most likely be the case going forward. We had the same delays, retrogressions , guaranteed employment verification RFEs etc. Immigrationportal.com used to be the immigrationvoice of the times. I do not see much difference for the techies between what was then and what is going on now in terms of delays. I see 2 dramatic changes though
1. People arent patient enough during these times. You would agree to the amount of venting going on in this site.
2. The incessant dumping of low cost of L1s by the outsourcing companies.
If you think through deeply, the second point is what is causing all the heartburn among the people waiting for their GCs. Believe me. All these extrapolated timelines that scream that getting GC today would take 10 years are all bogus. These headlines were the same then too. I can confidently say that the GC process will move fast within a year's time once the layoffs stop. It is just that can you survive till the govt policies become more rational ? That is where the argument about the best and the brightest come into place. If you are one, you would survive this and you will get your GC within 3 years. Honestly, my ntention was to calm the nerves of those people genuinely talented and waiting for their GCs. If I had missed out on that count, I think I should improve my communication. The arwinian flush was just to highlight that fact.
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Beemar
04-01 03:33 PM
In a democracy people get the leaders they deserve.
:rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
vidyakulkarni
06-28 07:21 PM
I got very stable news that only July 485 applications will get approved
Ramba
03-30 02:04 PM
The most of the guys posting in this thread is not going to vote. Even I think, we all do not have our names in electoral list. There is no sense in arguing who is best or who should be next PM, sitting in US. Furthermore, most of the educated, urban voters will never go to polling booth in hot summer to stand in line to do their duty as a citizen.. Indian�s election of their representatives is fundamentally a show of money and muscle power. Election in India is just a business. It is just investment of money by political parties with the help of capitalists and their lobbyist to get the vote from rural, uneducated, divided voters across the nation. All parties are corruptive, communal, divisive, plays vote bank politics. No exceptions! (whether it is Congress, BJP, communists, BSP, SP, and countless regional parties). One thing I can say or compare about Congress and BJP. Congress is the only party has responsible for bringing both good (economy, growth, education,) and bad (corruption and countless other) thing to India. BJP has not done any good thing to India sofar, only it brought bad things to India (divisive, corruption).
My input regarding comparison of Manmohan and Advani.
Manmohan.
Though, he is not a full time politician, and not a good crowd pulling speaker, he has strong record. He has quietly achieved lot as a RBI governor; FM and PM. US nuclear agreement is a big achievement in his career, despite he had a minority government with the strong left opposition. He does not have long term independent vision, and strong leadership skills. He was widely accepted by all part of the country, as he has no controversial issues.
Advani,
He is a good speaker, crowd puller. He is a typical Indian politician. He has leadership skills. He does not have any significant record/achievement to back his claim for PM (either as a ex-minister or politician). For example, he has not done anything to improve the national security when he was a union home minister. He has involved in controversial issue like Babri Majit, and Ram temple issue. He also does not have long term vision, ideas on economy, poverty elimination etc..
My input regarding comparison of Manmohan and Advani.
Manmohan.
Though, he is not a full time politician, and not a good crowd pulling speaker, he has strong record. He has quietly achieved lot as a RBI governor; FM and PM. US nuclear agreement is a big achievement in his career, despite he had a minority government with the strong left opposition. He does not have long term independent vision, and strong leadership skills. He was widely accepted by all part of the country, as he has no controversial issues.
Advani,
He is a good speaker, crowd puller. He is a typical Indian politician. He has leadership skills. He does not have any significant record/achievement to back his claim for PM (either as a ex-minister or politician). For example, he has not done anything to improve the national security when he was a union home minister. He has involved in controversial issue like Babri Majit, and Ram temple issue. He also does not have long term vision, ideas on economy, poverty elimination etc..
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